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Post by West » Wed Oct 24, 2007 12:57 pm

rhatton1 wrote:Is the tour schedule for next year (2008) posted anywhere yet?
Not yet, but when its done it will be posted :D
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Post by Jester » Wed Oct 24, 2007 1:24 pm

rhatton1 wrote:Is the tour schedule for next year (2008) posted anywhere yet?
The schedule is being formed at the moment. Having done this for the last four years I can tell you it's far from an overnight process. There is a fair bit of to-ing and fro-ing between myself and the TDs to see a) when they can actually run an event and b) when there is space in the calendar to hold it.

Regular updates will be posted on the forum.
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Post by BOF » Wed Oct 24, 2007 6:46 pm

I think you'll need to wait a few wee months, yet, rhatton1.

Jester has just put out a call for tournaments this very day!

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Post by Scuttler » Tue Nov 13, 2007 3:01 pm

Ratings updated today including all of the BDGA Tour events for this year.

http://www.pdga.org/tournament/player_r ... &year=2007 8)

Next update is 29/01/08. So is that it for next year's divisions or will any changes in January be taken into account?

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Post by bruce » Tue Nov 13, 2007 3:12 pm

Scuttler wrote:Ratings updated today including all of the BDGA Tour events for this year.

http://www.pdga.org/tournament/player_r ... &year=2007 8)

Next update is 29/01/08. So is that it for next year's divisions or will any changes in January be taken into account?
Nope, that's all folks :)
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Post by Scuttler » Tue Nov 13, 2007 4:21 pm

In that case, here are next years divisions by rating, ignoring anybody who may wish to move up regardless.

Open (920 >) 25 Players

Liam Young 995
Derek Robins 983
Jester Wilson 970
Neil Webber 964
Pete Monk 958
Conor Davies 957
Seonidh Charity 956
Calum Peterson 954
Hamish Blair 953
Charlie Mead 946
Matt Cutler 943
John Bruce 941
Graeme Anderson 936
Pete Dawson 936
Woody Harding 933
John Massey 933
David Galloway 926
Andy Lucey 925
Sean Stewart 925
Ivan Bromage 924
Trevor Bechtel 922
Ross Poole 921
Paul Cooper 920
Dan Massey 920
Darren Rose 920

Advanced (850 <> 919) 29 Players

Bud Tilton 915
Matt Pike 914
Spencer Worth 914
Angus Bruce 911
Andy Cotgreave 908
Andy Solomon 904
Jonathan Turner 904
Robin Ailes 902
Richard Clegg 895
Jesse Denny 889
Nigel Williams 888
Sue Underwood 886
Richard Wood 886
Dave Allaker 885
Duncan Hartshorne 884
Tim Emmott 883
Frank Redmond 881
Richard O'Connell 879
Pete Black 877
Ben Bruce 874
Jonathan Burden 873
Julien Fisler 871
Adam Storr 869
Crawford Flint 867
Tim Herring 865
Steve Broster 863
Neil Graneau 855
Brian Schoenfelder 855
Tom Hartshorne 854

Intermediate (< 850) 22 Players

Scott Fitzgerald 843
Marc Sheldon 843
Jonathan Potts 842
Chris Rowland 834
Peter Weakford 833
James Luton 832
Paul Stoddart 823
Sophie Southgate 820
Jon Lee 816
Adrian Simpson 815
Phil Willetts 814
Bob Holgan 804
Jerry Andrew 802
James Grigor 788
Garry Villiers-Stuart 776
Martin Pyrah 771
Doug Walker 767
Rich Hatton 717
Sean Pyrah 712
Adam Willetts 699
Benjamin Harvey 677
Danny Willetts 621

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Post by Jester » Tue Nov 13, 2007 4:22 pm

Scuttler wrote:In that case, here are next years divisions by rating, ignoring anybody who may wish to move up regardless.
Let the heckling begin!
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Post by Spider » Tue Nov 13, 2007 4:42 pm

Well, it remains my position that the (Adv) Am champ should move up to Open, at least for the following season.
So I'm up - it'll be nice to be able to concentrate on some photography during the Finals next year:wink:
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Post by Scuttler » Wed Nov 14, 2007 12:24 pm

Spider wrote:Well, it remains my position that the (Adv) Am champ should move up to Open, at least for the following season.
So I'm up - it'll be nice to be able to concentrate on some photography during the Finals next year:wink:
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I would hazard a guess that Bud, Matt and Spencer would all play Open. Probably Sue as well. Duncan, Jonnie Burden? Not sure about anybody else.

I see that Flake succeeded in his nose dive into Adv Am. :lol:

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Post by Jester » Wed Nov 14, 2007 12:31 pm

Scuttler wrote: I would hazard a guess that Bud, Matt and Spencer would all play Open. Probably Sue as well. Duncan, Jonnie Burden? Not sure about anybody else.

I see that Flake succeeded in his nose dive into Adv Am. :lol:

I don't think anyone would give Sue, Dunc or Jonnie grief for playing Adv Am as their rating clearly shows they'd be competitive there and have a final to shoot for. Pikey on the other hand is only 6 points below the threshold. Will he drop down to Adv Am to kick rump steak in 08 and come straight back up again in 09, only to go back down in 10? :lol:
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Post by bruce » Wed Nov 14, 2007 12:50 pm

Jester wrote:I don't think anyone would give Dunc grief for playing Adv Am
You don't know me too well, do you... :wink:
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Post by richard » Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:47 pm

What happens with James Ryan, who hasn't got a rating... not a PDGA member but completed 4 tour events last year?
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Post by West » Wed Nov 14, 2007 11:08 pm

richard wrote:What happens with James Ryan, who hasn't got a rating... not a PDGA member but completed 4 tour events last year?
I'd imagine we'll (I'll) have a look at the results of the events he did compete in and look at his round score compared to a rated one and work out a score.

Don't worry, he'll get placed in the right division. If he decides not to become a PDGA member this year, then after each ratings update we will look at his (and other none PDGA members) event scores and move up or down as appropriate for the current ability (assuming still in Am divisions).

At the beginning it will be a bit of best guess, but it'll work itself out :)

Although if he gets put in Int Ams and kicks a$$, then he'll be moved up for the next event he competes in as it will become obvious that he was put in the wrong division :)
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Post by bruce » Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:04 am

West wrote:Although if he gets put in Int Ams and kicks a$$, then he'll be moved up for the next event he competes in as it will become obvious that he was put in the wrong division :)
^This^

Basically, if you have no rating, the TD can put you in whatever division he chooses, you have no rights. In practice, that will mean that new players will go into IntAm, until it becomes clear that they are too good for it...
Players that have been around for a while but are not rated will be dealt with case by case.
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Post by West » Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:14 am

I'd imagine for players who have been around a bit and are not rated, they will be heckled into the right division ;-)
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Re: Ratings-based divisions for the BDGA Tour

Post by bruce » Tue Sep 18, 2012 11:05 am

Considering tweaking the ratings boundaries:

Open >=940
Adv 939-881
Int <=880

Or possibly 935 for Open. Obviously people can still play up, same rules as before on moving between divisions.

Open
Daniel Ryan 980
Derek Robins 980
Jester Wilson 975
Neil Webber 971
Chris O'Brien 966
Matthew Cutler 959
James Luton 953
Conor Davies 947
Jonny Morris 946
Rick Murphy 945

Borderline
Charlie Mead 939
Phil Wood 938
Paul Cooper 935

Adv Am
Ivan Bromage 933
Jonathan Tweed 927
Andy Lucey 927
Jesse Denny 927
Clive Phillips 926
Neal Pickett 923
Mark Davis 921
Richard Wood 915
Fran Wilson 913
Tom Lowes 912
Richard Hatton 911
Sam Stevens 907
Terry Tenger 906
Duncan Hartshorne 904
Paul McCullough 902
Steve Kornmuller 900
Mark Fleetham 898
Alastair Findlay 897
Andy Cotgreave 895
Paul Holden 894
Gary O'Malley 892
Dan Pommer 890
Sophie Southgate 887
Dave Allaker 886
David Ethier 884
Chris Rowlands 884
Sue Underwood 884
Nick Clark 883

Int Am
Stewart Gudgeon 878
Simon Edwards 877
Tim Herring 870
Neil Martin 868
Pete Black 865
Andrew Douse 864
Adam Storr 863
Chris Gill 861
Richard Clegg 861
Jon Turner 854
Steve Broster 853
Jonathan Burden 851
Steve Cardwell 848
Dan Hawkins 844
Jonathan Wood 841
Jason Vidot 836
Ross Davies 828
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Re: Ratings-based divisions for the BDGA Tour

Post by Del » Tue Sep 18, 2012 11:30 am

Whilst moving the Open cut-off to 940 would bring it closer in line to USA. I think 930 looks good for our purposes. It would give each division a 50 point spread, and a more even division of numbers. A cut-off at 940 would make for a very small Open division and a relatively wide range of 60 points for the Advanced Ams (albeit narrower than the 70 point spread applying at the moment).
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Re: Ratings-based divisions for the BDGA Tour

Post by rhatton1 » Tue Sep 18, 2012 11:49 am

Think that was my first ever post on the forum in the thread above and looks like it was in the wrong place, well done me!

Got my vote, but you already knew that :wink: Think I favour 935 over 940, as it would keep the division numbers similar across the three, much as it was when the first int ams division was started.

Don't think 880 is too unachievable as the int am starting point, most of the int am wins this year have averaged over that anyway.
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Re: Ratings-based divisions for the BDGA Tour

Post by Neil M » Tue Sep 18, 2012 11:56 am

We were discussing the Int Am division at the weekend and the fact that a significant number of Ints would probably be forced to move up next season anyway leaving the division a little bereft. Is this part of the thinking behind suggested boundary changing. Could be a little frustrating for those that have worked to improve their game to suddenly have the goalposts changed (a la recent GCSE controversy!) also maybe a little demoralising to be moved down if you have been Ad Am for a while? Personally I don't feel I would have too big an issue with being moved down as I am not yet at a standard where I am consistent enough to compete at the top of AdAm and I suppose it would be nice to be in contention for some silverware again! Would the extended Int Am put off rookies as a player rated at 879 is a long way from a rookie player. Would we need to consider a seperate Rookie division? Does it all just get too compicated then?
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Re: Ratings-based divisions for the BDGA Tour

Post by rhatton1 » Tue Sep 18, 2012 12:02 pm

No one has to move down a division, you are only forced to move up.
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