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Re: BDGA tour 2016

Post by richard » Thu Dec 10, 2015 6:10 pm

BDGA CALENDAR 2016 TOUR UPDATED

Now that the 2016 BDGA Tour dates have been confirmed I have started to update the BDGA Calendar.
https://tockify.com/e/bdgacalendar/

Can I ask all TDs for the Tours events and british open and Nationals please have a look and make sure all that I have is correct. Then please fill in the following form so that I can update them completely. This also applys to any club or regional events.

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1EaVIy3 ... 4/viewform


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Re: BDGA tour 2016

Post by BOF » Sat Jan 09, 2016 6:00 pm

Forgive my asking questions that may have been answered elsewhere...

What is the points/league/scoring system (if any) that is running for the BDGA Tour this year, please?

As an aging DIsc Golfer who has increasingly fewer opportunities to get away for weekend tournaments, I would like to be able to plan my disc golfing schedule to maximise any possible chance of attending Nationals and possibly qualifying for EDGC or USDGC events.

At present I have no idea what the system is, but would be disappointed if I was obliged to attend a specific tournament (e.g. British Open at Dunbar, as has been suggested previously) rather than being able to accrue points/ratings etc. by attending those tournaments that I could fit into a domestic calendar.

The critiera for attending this year's EDGC seem to be based on a combination of three factors - performance on the BDGA Tour in 2015, PDGA ratings and likelihood of a podium finish in player's division. How the third of those factors is to be judged I don't yet fully understand .

Have any criteria been established for future EDGC and USDGC events? Would it be possible to know BEFORE the Tour started, rather than discovering at the end of the season when it would be too late to do anything about it?

Any detail or guidance would be appreciated - if only a pointer to where this has all been clearly explained elsewhere in the forum.

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Re: BDGA tour 2016

Post by mat cutler » Sat Jan 09, 2016 7:18 pm

Hear hear!

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Re: BDGA tour 2016

Post by LostMeow » Sat Jan 09, 2016 7:40 pm

For Tour points this year we're trialling a new system:

Tour points will be allocated and awarded to Touring members only - if they are a Touring member at the time of the tournament, they can accrue stats.
Points will be awarded as follows
1st place = 100
2nd place = 95
3rd place = 90
4th place = 85
5th place = 84
6th place = 83
etc
The best four events will count to the player’s overall score. In the event of a tie, it will go the next best event, then to head-to-head.

Historically for EDGC places, the selection was by Tour points, and it was felt to be unfair to change this main criterion after the end of the 2015 Tour for selection for 2016 EDGC; however, it has been suggested that if we want to maximise our potential to do well at EDGC, we should be selecting based more strongly on player ability, rather than whether they've been to more tournaments and accrued more points - doing it that way meant that duffers like me were representing Team GB in the Open Division at EDGC 2014. I loved the experience but I will be the first to admit that I was never going to trouble the big leagues. If we want to do well (and doing well might increase our player allocation), we need to select a competitive team if possible. Given that EDGC is only every two years, I would expect any new system to be clearly in place in advance of the 2017 Tour, for selection for EDGC 2018.
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Re: BDGA tour 2016

Post by BOF » Sun Jan 10, 2016 5:25 pm

Thanks for update, Tom.

When you speak of 'player ability' in respect of EDGC/USDGC selection, are you thinking along the lines of PDGA player rating or some other measure of player ability?

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Re: BDGA tour 2016

Post by LostMeow » Sun Jan 10, 2016 5:33 pm

Well it's not up to me, so I'm conjecturing, but I would assume so, yes. I must emphasise that absolutely no decisions have been made regarding selection policy for EDGC 2018.
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Re: BDGA tour 2016

Post by Jester » Sun Jan 10, 2016 6:04 pm

LostMeow wrote:Well it's not up to me, so I'm conjecturing, but I would assume so, yes. I must emphasise that absolutely no decisions have been made regarding selection policy for EDGC 2018.
Hi Tom - just checking you actually mean EC 2016, and not 2018?
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Re: BDGA tour 2016

Post by LostMeow » Sun Jan 10, 2016 7:38 pm

Jester wrote:
LostMeow wrote:Well it's not up to me, so I'm conjecturing, but I would assume so, yes. I must emphasise that absolutely no decisions have been made regarding selection policy for EDGC 2018.
Hi Tom - just checking you actually mean EC 2016, and not 2018?
No, I meant what I said. I'm in danger of building a house of cards, because it's not my decision/area of responsibility, but all I was trying to say was that the selection process might change in future.
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Re: BDGA tour 2016

Post by Jester » Sun Jan 10, 2016 7:49 pm

Ok, thanks for confirming that Tom.

I've commented on Charlie's proposed changes to selection criteria for EC 2016 on this thread viewtopic.php?f=33&t=1927

I do not agree EC qualification rules should be changed once the qualification period (the 2015 season) has passed.
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Post by seamus » Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:00 am

Using our event in May to pick a player for the performance flight at USDGC has been decided for us and is not happening. May6th-8th is the scheduled performance flight as part of the KC Wide Open.
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Re: BDGA tour 2016

Post by LostMeow » Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:08 am

seamus wrote:Using our event in May to pick a player for the performance flight at USDGC has been decided for us and is not happening. May6th-8th is the scheduled performance flight as part of the KC Wide Open.
http://usdgc.com/?p=1765
Not sure I understand. Are you saying the UK isn't being granted a USDGC place this year?
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Post by seamus » Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:34 am

On further investigation much has transpired.
http://kcwideopen.com/about/performance-flight/
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Re: BDGA tour 2016

Post by LostMeow » Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:45 am

But what does the KC Wide Open have to do with our USDGC spot?
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Post by seamus » Thu Jan 21, 2016 12:30 pm

Ok Let me remove the grey area and prove my confusion and most likely incorrect assumption.

Someone, I think it was Matt(?), suggested using our event in May to fill the performance flight space at Usdgc.
The performance flight event has been moved to the KC Wide Open and now anyone can enter so qualifying is not necessary.

It was also suggested that our event in May be used to determine who might represent GB at the Usdgc, which I would welcome if that is the determination. But looking at the Usdgc information the event is now a World Tour event which may change who can attend. It seems Open Flight and Performance Flight at Usdgc are a thing of the past.
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Post by rhatton1 » Thu Jan 21, 2016 12:42 pm

http://usdgc.com/?p=1765
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Re: BDGA tour 2016

Post by bruce » Wed Feb 24, 2016 2:35 pm

LostMeow wrote:For Tour points this year we're trialling a new system:

Tour points will be allocated and awarded to Touring members only - if they are a Touring member at the time of the tournament, they can accrue stats.
Points will be awarded as follows
1st place = 100
2nd place = 95
3rd place = 90
4th place = 85
5th place = 84
6th place = 83
etc
The best four events will count to the player’s overall score. In the event of a tie, it will go the next best event, then to head-to-head.
Out of interest, what is in place for ties? Previous system gave players the sum of the points divided by the number of players tied, but you can equally make a case for giving say all players tied 4th 85 points
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Re: BDGA tour 2016

Post by Jester » Wed Feb 24, 2016 3:06 pm

bruce wrote:
LostMeow wrote:For Tour points this year we're trialling a new system:

Tour points will be allocated and awarded to Touring members only - if they are a Touring member at the time of the tournament, they can accrue stats.
Points will be awarded as follows
1st place = 100
2nd place = 95
3rd place = 90
4th place = 85
5th place = 84
6th place = 83
etc
The best four events will count to the player’s overall score. In the event of a tie, it will go the next best event, then to head-to-head.
Out of interest, what is in place for ties? Previous system gave players the sum of the points divided by the number of players tied, but you can equally make a case for giving say all players tied 4th 85 points
The issue with ties aside, following a chat at Frostbreaker with James and Bruce, it was suggested that making the 5 point gaps continue to 6th place before changing to a 1 point gap would be a better fit with our 5-person final tournament structure. That would mean 5th is worth 80, 6th is worth 75, 7th is worth 74, 8th is worth 73 etc.

If 5 point gaps separated the top 5 places, all 5 finalists have something to compete for. If 5th place is only worth 1 point less than 4th, the 4th and 5th place players could potentially be less concerned about their finishing position. Also if 6th place is worth 5 less than 5th, there is a bigger incentive for that player to try and make the final, and a bigger reward than just a 1 point difference for doing so.

Thoughts please?
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Re: BDGA tour 2016

Post by LostMeow » Fri Feb 26, 2016 5:01 pm

Re: ties

We have agreed that 1st place will always be a play-off at the event, but that ties below that will receive points halfway between their respective positions.

Re: point allocations

I totally understand what you're saying there. My opinion is that making a finals place is a good enough incentive for the 5/6/7/etc players, but that once you're in a final it would be nice for the person in 5th to have something to play for - at least a 5 point jump. So I would have the points allocated 100, 95, 90, 85, 80 then 79, 78, 77 etc. However I think the prevailing view of the board is that we went to press with a particular set of values last October and it would be wrong to change them at this stage, after a tournament has already occurred. So, I don't think we'll change from the initial statement I made above. BUT it is important for people to recognise this is a trial year, so any or all aspects can be up for debate and change once the Tour is over. This is one aspect that could easily be altered for 2017* if people felt that way.

* although the 2017 might be a completely different format!
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Re: BDGA tour 2016

Post by BOF » Tue Apr 12, 2016 7:45 pm

Is there anywhere where I can find the Tour points standings thus far, please?

I've looked at the Powerstats link from the BDGA homepage but that only has 2015 data and earlier archives.

Any pointers appreciated.

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