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Tee Pads at Croydon

Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 9:18 am
by richard
This thread has been started due to CDGCs long running issues with our tee pads.

The problems and parameters are :

1. The course is in a conservation area. Therefore artificial tees are not allowed.. no concrete, rubber mats.
2. The course is open to all 24/7 so theft risk is there. i.e.£10000s worth of rubber matting was stolen 3 days after installation in the kids playground by hole 1.

We do have Lanky Dan the horticulturist on the books so the skilled workforce is available if you have any good ideas.

Please make your points right here...

Thanks

Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 11:03 am
by BOF
what about those wide-gauge mesh-walkway things that they often have for cars to drive on? The large mesh means that grass can grow up through the holes, but the wheels themselves don't squash the ground/plants? You sometimes get them on footpaths leading to beaches?
Does anyoine know what I mean?
Or are you not allowed any kind of artificial mat?

BOF



Big Tee

Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 11:26 am
by bongo
http://www.grassmats.co.uk/

That sort of stuff?

Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 10:30 pm
by richard
would these be slippery when wet... would you be comfortably able to plant your front foot firmly?. Does anyone have any experience with these mats, the council might go for these although I would need convincing that you could play on them.

Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 9:36 am
by dunc
I would think that these mats would be ideal..... if it's wet the meshing should prevent the ground from cutting up and also provide ressitance against slippage....people wearing on studs might have a sticking issue...buit on the whole I would think that this is a very good solution!

Could you get the council to agree for one or two tees to be done on a trial basis.... this gives you and the council time to assess performance before buying the and installing the whole lot?

Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 10:16 am
by BOF
http://www.grassmats.co.uk/

That sort of stuff?
Yes, exactly that sort of stuff!


BOF



Big Mat

Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 10:29 am
by West
dunc wrote:Could you get the council to agree for one or two tees to be done on a trial basis.... this gives you and the council time to assess performance before buying the and installing the whole lot?
Sounds good, pick a couple of tees which are really cut up and put them down and grass seed the mud underneath ... should be able to continue to play while the grass regenerates.

Maybe with this going in the tees could all get leveled / cut into the ground as well?!

Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 3:16 pm
by Paul Holden
[quote="dunc"]people wearing on studs might have a sticking issue...quote]

I have thought about this before. Looked at a neighbours front lawn where they have it installed so they can park additional cars. My feeling is that people with studs will definitely have a problem and that it will be more of the sprained/broken ankle variety that just sticking :(

Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 8:51 pm
by West
Maybe make it so it has a regular grass tee one side of the tee posts and a grass matt tee on the other so any footware can be used? I know this will probably create work for moving posts etc. but it might work.

Thoughts?

Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 9:31 pm
by CharlieM
Is it just me or was there mention, just about the time of the parks to be proud of thing, that the council had said they were going to do something for us about the tees?

Afterthought - ever hear of concrete grass, It's like paving slabs but with holes in it to allow grass to grow through. I know it's a conservation area but pre-set concrete is not going to leak into the environment and assuming what I mention above is true and I am not going mad they may be on the verge of a compromize?

I think the studs issue will still be a problem but studs are surely no good on anything but grass/bare earth and since grass/bare earth is an inappropriate tee surface why where them? I suppose they're useful on long holes with a second drive but doesn't seem a huge sacrifice for people to not wear studs on the course.

Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 9:44 pm
by Paul Holden
Personally I agree that I can't see how people get on with studs but they do. Sophie and Chris both play in them despite Essex having paving slab tee pads. People also manage to use them on the mats at Whitcombe. I would twist an ankle or knee if I tried that!

Perhaps would be interesting to find out how many people actually play in studs and what their experiences are of various tee pads. The only other person I know uses them is Woody (at least I think he does).

Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 10:17 pm
by richard
Thank you for all your input, I shall now talk to the powers that be to try and find a happy medium.

Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 5:32 am
by Mark.A.D
Hatton wears studs.

Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 8:15 am
by TheGroover
Maybe people shouldn't wear studs?

Let's imagine a future where Del decides to install concrete pads at Quarry Park. That's the Holy Grail for a golf course. Do you think he's going to think for a minute about football boots?

Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 8:56 am
by West
Personally, I'm with Paul on this, if I wore studs I'd twist my knee/ankle etc.

If we put in concrete or other solid tee pads and people continue to wear studs then its their choice. I don't think you can design courses around foot wear that people may/may not wear now or in the future.

Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 9:15 am
by ultiali
Is concrete really a good idea given the British weather?

Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 9:51 am
by Tapanote
ultiali wrote:Is concrete really a good idea given the British weather?
No, concrete really only works when it is warm and dry. Some courses in Finland had concrete but pretty much all are changing for the artificial grass pads. They are by far the best all-round tee solution and work in every weather.

Funny detail, I have seen hundreds if not thousands of disc golfers in Finland, and never before even heard of someone playing with studs. For me playing in studs would mean guaranteed ankle-knee-hip-back-you-name-it problems.

Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 12:09 pm
by rhatton1
I play in moulded studs which work on concrete and any flat surface but I imagine would be impossible on these grow through mats.

The reason I wear studs is I can buy them for £12 and they last, fairly waterproof for at least a year.

The year before last I went through 3 pairs of £50+ walking boots in a year.

I can't afford £150 on boots a year. Please don't make me!

They also make you a lot lighter on your feet than boots.

Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 2:14 pm
by CharlieM
In my experience spending £100+ on a pair of boots means your boots will be water proof and last until the soul is worn off. Spending £50 on boot's gets you boots that are no more water proof than a paper bag and last maybe 10 sessions of getting soaked and drying out before they rot and fall apart.

Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 2:15 pm
by CharlieM
Tapanote wrote:
ultiali wrote:Is concrete really a good idea given the British weather?
No, concrete really only works when it is warm and dry. Some courses in Finland had concrete but pretty much all are changing for the artificial grass pads. They are by far the best all-round tee solution and work in every weather.

Funny detail, I have seen hundreds if not thousands of disc golfers in Finland, and never before even heard of someone playing with studs. For me playing in studs would mean guaranteed ankle-knee-hip-back-you-name-it problems.
I'm no concrete expert but I would have though that is was more grippy when wet than mud?