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by bruce
Fri Dec 16, 2016 1:09 pm
Forum: General
Topic: BDGA 2017 Tour proposal
Replies: 142
Views: 30417

Re: BDGA 2017 Tour proposal

Replying in passing. I believe your idea violates the PDGA sanctioning agreement
by bruce
Fri Dec 16, 2016 11:05 am
Forum: General
Topic: BDGA 2017 Tour proposal
Replies: 142
Views: 30417

Re: BDGA 2017 Tour proposal

Last post as I'm busy basically from now until Sunday. You've made 2 assumptions that I can see: 1) that most Ams will want to play up into MA1 to be eligible for BCs 2) that a lot of players not eligible for BCs would not bother with BDGA membership My counter points are: To 1) it didn't happen las...
by bruce
Fri Dec 16, 2016 10:45 am
Forum: General
Topic: BDGA 2017 Tour proposal
Replies: 142
Views: 30417

Re: BDGA 2017 Tour proposal

Exactly! You've forced the hand of every other TD in the country to do it your way. You've removed all choice from other TDs, as if we do it a different way anyone not playing MA1 suffers.
by bruce
Fri Dec 16, 2016 10:14 am
Forum: General
Topic: BDGA 2017 Tour proposal
Replies: 142
Views: 30417

Re: BDGA 2017 Tour proposal

Can you not see how your 'fix' completely destroys the concept of Int Am and Rec for all other events?
by bruce
Fri Dec 16, 2016 9:24 am
Forum: General
Topic: BDGA 2017 Tour proposal
Replies: 142
Views: 30417

Re: BDGA 2017 Tour proposal

Del, your proposed system only rewards those who go to the most events, and doesn't fix the supposed problem. A player can still simply play up and gather more points
by bruce
Fri Dec 16, 2016 9:16 am
Forum: General
Topic: BDGA 2017 Tour proposal
Replies: 142
Views: 30417

Re: BDGA 2017 Tour proposal

Rich, it's giving MA2/3/4 significantly more than last season. Only MA1 even got points last year, at least this year there is a proposal to include the others in a ranking system that is entirely consistent with every other divisional system in sporting history! Not only that but if players stay wi...
by bruce
Thu Dec 15, 2016 9:07 pm
Forum: General
Topic: BDGA 2017 Tour proposal
Replies: 142
Views: 30417

Re: BDGA 2017 Tour proposal

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, maybe you don't realise your plan massively upsets the system! If you do the MA1 plan, all MODs players by default will be ahead in the rankings from any player playing MA2 or below anywhere else in the country. So any other event, my British Open included, wi...
by bruce
Thu Dec 15, 2016 6:33 pm
Forum: General
Topic: BDGA 2017 Tour proposal
Replies: 142
Views: 30417

Re: BDGA 2017 Tour proposal

Maybe I need to work up some examples in a google sheet to show why it doesn't. It's a binary choice, either one Am division ranked completely, or divisions ranked sequentially, you cannot mix the two ideas in any fair way. I cannot see any deficiencies in a system that says "players in Division 1 a...
by bruce
Thu Dec 15, 2016 5:05 pm
Forum: General
Topic: BDGA 2017 Tour proposal
Replies: 142
Views: 30417

Re: BDGA 2017 Tour proposal

Sorry Del, I can't rationalise the first half of your post with the second half, as the second half appears to agree with what is proposed... The one thing that would undermine the ranking is precisely if any amount of MA3 points trumped a last place MA1 finish. If someone spends all year in the low...
by bruce
Thu Dec 15, 2016 4:49 pm
Forum: General
Topic: BDGA 2017 Tour proposal
Replies: 142
Views: 30417

Re: BDGA 2017 Tour proposal

"why do I want BDGA membership if my MA4 points aren't likely to get me qualification to the championships" (paraprhased) this is from some people that are likely to play close to the 10 events required to break even on the £10 membership fee. If I can tell them that they will all gain MA1 points (...
by bruce
Thu Dec 15, 2016 4:14 pm
Forum: General
Topic: BDGA 2017 Tour proposal
Replies: 142
Views: 30417

Re: BDGA 2017 Tour proposal

I prefer my suggestion (well I would wouldn't I :) What you propose encourages people to move up at the start of the year, but discourages mid-year change when they would end up losing the prior points. I see that as quite a downside. I'm not sure why that's a downside, as 5 MA1 points beats 1,000,...
by bruce
Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:56 pm
Forum: General
Topic: BDGA 2017 Tour proposal
Replies: 142
Views: 30417

Re: BDGA 2017 Tour proposal

Ok I thought I had sussed this who is running what points system / division business but now I this. To what end does this proposed Ams points thing reach? The entire point of the points is to determine invitations to the British Championships, where the British Champion in each division will be cr...
by bruce
Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:41 pm
Forum: General
Topic: BDGA 2017 Tour proposal
Replies: 142
Views: 30417

Re: BDGA 2017 Tour proposal

I think the board's solution is the most elegant one. Incidentally I do get the possible objections, as in why is someone with 5 MA2 points more deserving of an invite to BCs than the MA3 with 205 points, but that's simply the nature of divisions. It doesn't matter that Newcastle have 46 points at t...
by bruce
Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:11 pm
Forum: General
Topic: BDGA 2017 Tour proposal
Replies: 142
Views: 30417

Re: BDGA 2017 Tour proposal

On the FB thread: I would like to see Am division points based on a linear scale that has all AM1 players ranking above AM2 who in turn all rank above AM3. So it's always worth playing up if you are bothered about points, but you still have a meaningful position in the Am points ranking.So 2 AM2 vic...
by bruce
Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:58 pm
Forum: General
Topic: BDGA 2017 Tour proposal
Replies: 142
Views: 30417

Re: BDGA 2017 Tour proposal

I think there should be a common points system for the Am divisions which are not restricted to age or gender. This would allow and encourage players to move up and take their points with them. The problem of course is how to merge results from 2 or 3 separate divisions. I would suggest that if the...
by bruce
Thu Dec 15, 2016 1:37 pm
Forum: General
Topic: BDGA 2017 Tour proposal
Replies: 142
Views: 30417

Re: BDGA 2017 Tour proposal

To me you're over complicating things massively to try to overlay a separate divisional structure over the PDGA ones. It's what we've been doing for years! All i'm trying to do is find a way to sensibly include players on two different systems, I think this works. for Open/masters/fpo there is no d...
by bruce
Thu Dec 15, 2016 11:31 am
Forum: General
Topic: BDGA 2017 Tour proposal
Replies: 142
Views: 30417

Re: BDGA 2017 Tour proposal

Because of this https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15V_I2APudPVgTyahiqEWqn_OnFKmHmFD8JOUfw9k-Vo/edit?usp=sharing All current PDGA UK based members. I'm sure there are likely to be more appearing and some old coming back to the fold to change it slightly but these are more likely to increase the...
by bruce
Wed Dec 14, 2016 11:54 pm
Forum: General
Topic: BDGA/PDGA membership post-2016 and old 5-YEAR DEAL
Replies: 8
Views: 2474

Re: BDGA/PDGA membership post-2016 and old 5-YEAR DEAL

Hi BOF, don't worry, we're aware people will need memberships! We're just finalising the new membership form for the new website. PDGA membership is now up to individuals. It does not affect ability to play in BDGA events. BOF had a point, I also have an extended membership paid for up front with t...
by bruce
Wed Dec 14, 2016 9:52 pm
Forum: General
Topic: BDGA 2017 Tour proposal
Replies: 142
Views: 30417

Re: BDGA 2017 Tour proposal

Is MA2 effectively becoming redundant for this season? I can't see much sense in this offering unless we are encouraging lots of players out of the Open division? It would still seem to be just as relevant as last season, where only AM1 results counted in powerstats. Not sure why that changes under...